I’ve found that many Christian people are very sensitive about the topic of the rapture, and I am going to be honest, I don’t get it. This will be a little bit of a rant, and I have decided to stop talking about this all together, as I don’t see a point. So if you’re not familiar, the idea of the rapture is taught in a lot of modern Churches, and is basically the idea that before a time called “the great tribulation” that there is an additional coming of Christ, where he essentially teleports the Church into heaven before this really tough time, and then the world falls into chaos without any of the born again Christian people, who are all happily enjoying themselves with Jesus in heaven. Actually, if I made a post and said something like “tough times are coming ahead, but I feel safe, because the Lord Jesus has saved me and all I know is – I won’t be here” and if I posted that with an image of a cross, most likely, I would get 100 likes on the post because people like the sort of ‘easy out’ picture of things.
This is different than the idea that I grew up with, which is that Christ comes back once, and as the wicked are being destroyed from a final sort of thing that believers are taken off of the earth and in this case, these would be people that went through a really tough time of tribulation before that happened.
First of all, I’ve asked on about 30 posts for people to provide some sort of evidence that this ‘pre tribulation’ belief actually comes from something that Jesus said. Basically what winds up happening, is people refer me to very long posts that sort of blatantly confuse very obvious things Jesus says, say they don’t apply to the Church, quote confusing statements from Paul that do not say “there will be a rapture before the great tribulation” and then make a series of assumptions and irrational arguments that don’t hold any salt if you simply use the arguments against themselves.
In other words, the Bible does not say that the Church will be raptured before the great tribulation. Jesus says in Matthew 24 that he will come “after the tribulation in those days”, which actually contradicts this. I have now wasted about 8 hours watching videos anywhere from 30 minutes to 1 hour that contain zero valid evidence that this idea is taught anywhere in the Bible and are mostly people with very long theories talking about how much they’ve studied the Bible, and then they talk about the pre tribulation rapture, usually justifying it by saying the Church is the bride, and would God leave his bride to be there during a tough time?
Well, hold on a second. How did the apostles of Jesus die? Certainly they are a part of the bride. Well:
1. Peter was crucified upside down because he did not consider himself worthy to die in the same way as Jesus.
2. Peter’s brother Andrew suffered a similar death. He was bound to a cross shaped like an X.
3. James was the first of the apostles to die for following Jesus. He was executed by the sword by King Herod (recorded in Acts 12:1-2)
4. John was the only one recorded to have died of old age.
5. Nobody knows how Philip died. Either old age, or he was beheaded, or stoned, or crucified upside down. Somewhere around 80 ad.
6. Bartholomew was probably martyred, but nobody really knows. The most popular tradition is that he was flayed and then beheaded, which is why there is a lot of traditions with him holding his skin.
7. The apostle Thomas was stabbed with spears in Mylapore, India according to the Acts of Thomas.
8. Matthew has conflicting accounts that range anywhere from old age to being burned, stoned, stabbed, or beheaded.
9. Jude was martyred in Syria on his missionary journey with Simon the Zealot with an axe or something like that. The story is a tad confusing to read.
10. Simon the Zealot also has conflicting stories. Crucified, or sawed in half are the two most common stories.
11. Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus and hung himself.
12. Matthias could have been stoned to death either by cannibals or the Jews in Jerusalem and then beheaded, nobody is really sure.
13. Paul was beheaded by the emperor Nero in 68 AD, this one is well recorded.
Ok, so you got some conflicting stories there for sure. However, pretty clear that a bunch of them had awful, horrible deaths. Which makes sense, as Jesus said in the sermon on the mount:”11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
“I mean, weren’t the apostles of Jesus part of the bride? Why did they go through awful things? It seems that there is a double standard which exists, where people are ok accepting stories of these people, and ok with statements at the end of revelation like this:
“4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.” (Revelation 20 v 4-5)
And they read about people who were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus (like Paul by Nero) and how they rose in the first resurrection. This is of course positioned after the great tribulation is described. So they are fine with this, but for some reason, believe that it is impossible for them to ever go through anything like this, because the Church will be raptured first.
Or, they read things directly from Jesus such as: “And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake, but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.” Mark 13:13 and also this appears in Matthew 24:13 right as Jesus goes into the great tribulation, describes the abomination of desolation telling his followers to “flee” and “pray that their flight will not be on the sabbath day” and that it will be “dreadful for pregnant women and nursing mothers” – he tells you to not believe in the false prophets and false Christs that arise during that time, or to believe a bunch of deceptions. Then after the tribulation of those days, he describes his second coming.
Why would he warn people to flee if they simply get removed by the rapture? Why would he tell them to endure to the end if they are simply teleported off the earth? Why would he tell them to not listen to the false Christs and false prophets if you never were going to see them anyways? Why would he talk about how people who resisted the mark of the beast and were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus would rise in the first resurrection if they never would have to go through anything like that?
This idea, which is supported by a single passage in Paul (which actually does not specifically say anything like this) and non stop circular logic is literally against the entire messaging flow of Jesus which repeats everywhere and against the story of the entire Bible.
If you have any good evidence of it, go ahead and put it into the comments. I would love to see it as to this date, the only thing that has happened is that people get so worked up when you pick apart their lack of evidence for their ‘pre trib’ superhero story, they get so mad that they block you on Facebook because they have no ability whatsoever to respond to the fact that they are making up stories.
On a personal note, let me tell you how I feel about it. Let’s say that Jesus comes before the great tribulation to rapture people away, and rather than just doing it, he comes and has a talk with me first, and gives me an option. Now, I’m not talking that he is coming back to destroy the wicked or the events are about to happen that are described in Zechariah 14. I’m talking that he comes before the end of days scenario painted out all over the place, before the great struggle of evil against good, and he comes and he has a little chat with me in the clouds for a bit.
He says: “So, you wanna be raptured? Or stick around?”
I’d ask: “Well, are you about to destroy everyone? Or what’s going to happen?
“He replies: “No, not yet. There’s a few years left. Satan is really pissed. Antichrist is here. There’s going to be a really big war. 2/3rds of humanity is going to die. Everyone’s going to surround Jerusalem in a war. Battle of Armageddon is going to happen. It’s going to be tough.
“I’d say: “Well, are any of my friends going to get left behind?”
He’d probably say: “Well yes, lots of them. Lots of people you know. Lots of people around you. Most people will be here.”
I’d reply: “If I stick around, is there a chance I can help save some of my friends?”
I think he’d say: “Yes. There’s a great opportunity to turn people to righteousness. You might die though. Get beheaded. Be crucified upside down. Be boiled to death. It might be tough. But if it happens, never deny my name.”
I’d say: “Then leave me behind, because I love my friends.”
I think he’d reply: “Greater love hath no man than this, than he lay down his life for his friends.”
Then I’d say: “Jesus, one final request.”
He’d say: “Sure, ask away.”
I’d say: “Can I give the antichrist a run for his money? Maybe at least kick his ass a bit in the war? I’m fine dying in the battle of Armageddon, just as long as I can kick his ass a bit.”
At that point, Jesus might laugh, and tell me he’d see what he could do. And I’d have him teleport me back to my house after giving me a blessing or something to help me gather an army and kick satan’s ass as much as possible on my way out.
That’s my two cents. I don’t know where this whole weak, fantasy escapism came from that leaked it’s way into a faith that was built around a bunch of badass mofos who gave their lives for the truth.
I mean, we wait all this time, come to the earth, the most exciting war ever is about to start – and we want to get teleported out and leave all these people behind who need our help in the most tough time ever?
No thanks Jesus.
Crucify me upside down with bombs going off everywhere first. I’m going to help my friends.
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However, I have decided on a more simple mass market message for what I am trying to do, that will be described in my book, which can fill the world and turn many people to righteousness by getting people to work together, to change, and to embrace the way of Torah together, bit by bit as we recreate society. That has the ability to grow to 10 million or 20 million people in 2-4 years, and this blog might interfere with that. So, enjoy my posts for the moment. I have put a lot of work into this trying to convey something that took me a long time to sort through to figure out the message which I want to convey, which is turning the world to righteousness and unity, pointing them to the Messiah, creating the Kingdom, which will break apart and consume the other governments of the world until all their is from the east to the west is love flowing, unity, and restoration.
Personally, I care about feeding all of the kids in the world and building a movement that grows like a unified revolution against the machine than I care about maintaining this blog. It has been fun, and I hope you’ll be here with me kicking the ass of the antichrist in the war.